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Standing out when every product looks the same

The Founders work group draws on Pinterest, Justin.tv, LinkedIn, Notion and Coda to find an edge among lookalikes.

Updated October 13, 2026

Pick one experience people return to, start with the people whose choice brings the rest, and check whether early users come back for a second job.

  • Name the thing users come back for. Ben Silbermann would ask whether you can name what first users return to do and where it helped their lives. Early Pinterest users planned weddings and redecorated homes with it. He would also watch which users get asked by a friend where an idea came from.
  • Start with whoever brings the others. Emmett Shear saw that viewers followed streamers, so he called 40 or 50 of them and Justin.tv built an ad button that split revenue 50/50. The team recruited streamers one by one and sometimes offered larger ones $1,000 to switch.
  • Plan for density. Reid Hoffman asks which group gets value first, what improves as each new customer joins, and how you reach enough of them before early users leave. He estimated LinkedIn needed about a million members before the first member had a fairly functional value proposition.
  • Own a finished job. Ivan Zhao would start with a frequent job, make the first useful result easy to reach and give people a reason to stay. Notion found its way in through notes and documents. With business customers, it learned that selling flexible parts alone asked them to do too much setup.
  • Watch the second use. Shishir Mehrotra would track whether a team that used the product for one task builds its next recurring process there. A team at Pinterest began with meeting notes in Coda, and later someone built a goal-tracking system in it.

Group chat with Emmett, Ben, Ivan, Reid, Shishir — the Founders work group

Question:

How does a startup win in a market full of similar products?

Ben Silbermann
Ben SilbermannFounder and Chairman of Pinterest. Founder of How We Feel
I think you win by choosing one experience people care enough about to return to and show someone else. Our earlier shopping app had lots of features, but no single thing we were proud to put in front of people. With Pinterest, Evan and I cared about making a collection look good enough that someone would want to share it.startuparchive
The first response was small: about 3,000 registered accounts after three months. We spent time with the people who loved it, held meetups, and reached out to bloggers who could use it for their own collections.forbes My test for a crowded market would be specific: can you name the thing your first users come back to do, and can they show you where it helped in their lives? Early Pinterest users told us they depended on it to plan a wedding or redecorate a home.Apple Podcasts
Emmett Shear
Emmett ShearCEO of Softmax. Founder of Justin.tv and former CEO of Twitch
Start by finding whose choice determines where everyone else goes. At Justin.tv Gaming, I realized viewers followed streamers. If a streamer moved to YouTube, I would follow them there. So our customer work had to start with streamers, whose needs I did not understand well enough. I called roughly 40 or 50 of them and asked how they got into streaming, what they liked about it, and what they would change. Their answer surprised me: even a tiny amount of income from streaming mattered to them. We built a button that let streamers run an ad and split the revenue with us 50/50. Viewers sometimes reminded streamers to use it because they wanted them to earn money.Spotify
My framework is to identify the participant who brings the others, talk to enough of those people to learn something you could not have guessed, then build around that need. Give the idea a growth test. When we gave Justin.tv Gaming three months and a target of roughly 20% to 25% monthly usage growth, it grew about 30% a month. That gave us a concrete reason to keep investing in it.Spotify
Reid Hoffman
Reid HoffmanCo-founder of LinkedIn, Inflection AI and Manas AI. Partner at Greylock
When products look similar, I ask where value will compound as people join and use yours. LinkedIn entered a market with other professional-network efforts already underway. The hard question was how to make the network useful early enough for members to stay; I estimated it would take roughly a million registered members before the first member had a fairly functional value proposition.Apple Podcasts
My framework is three questions. Which specific group gets value first? What gets better for that group as each new customer joins or participates? And how will you reach enough of them before early users leave? In a marketplace, sellers leave when buyers are absent, and buyers leave when sellers are absent. A founder needs a concrete plan for building density on both sides. The growth method also has to fit the current market: the email invitations we used to grow LinkedIn would be a poor default for starting that network today.Apple Podcasts
Ben Silbermann
Ben SilbermannFounder and Chairman of Pinterest. Founder of How We Feel
Emmett’s question about whose choice brings others applies to Pinterest in a slightly different way. People often found us after a friend cooked a meal, threw a party, or redecorated a room and someone asked where the idea came from. The person sharing that result mattered more than a generic invite prompt.Apple Podcasts
So for a product with lots of lookalikes, I’d watch what happens outside the app. Which user gets a question from a friend because the product helped them make something worth showing? That tells you whom to serve first and which part of the experience has to work beautifully.
Ivan Zhao
Ivan ZhaoFounder of Notion
So I would start with the job a person already needs to finish, then build a distinct way for them to finish it. We spent our early years making a tool for people to create their own software. People wanted to finish their reports and organize their work. We found a way in through notes and documents, then let people use the same flexible parts for tasks, databases, and team work.Apple Podcasts
For a startup in a crowded market, my framework is: choose a frequent job, make the first useful result easy to reach, and give people a reason to stay as their needs grow. The first job must work on its own. For business customers, show the finished workflow they can use immediately and the specific cost or risk it addresses. We learned that selling flexible parts alone asked customers to do too much setup.Apple Podcasts
Emmett Shear
Emmett ShearCEO of Softmax. Founder of Justin.tv and former CEO of Twitch
Reid's density question has a very practical version for a creator platform: why would the first creator move before the audience is there? We recruited game streamers one by one, sometimes offering larger streamers $1,000 to switch. When a streamer said the service lacked a feature, we used the request to find the underlying problem and solve it, even if the eventual fix differed from their suggestion. That is how you make the first side of a network willing to show up while the network is still small.Apple Podcasts
Reid Hoffman
Reid HoffmanCo-founder of LinkedIn, Inflection AI and Manas AI. Partner at Greylock
Ben's example points to a useful test: identify the behavior competitors have misread. When I considered investing in Airbnb, a highly experienced consumer investor told me it could be the deal I failed on. That increased my conviction because, if our view was right, other capable investors and competitors might dismiss the same opportunity while the team built it.Apple Podcasts
A founder should be able to state the disputed belief plainly and show evidence from early users. For Pinterest, the friend asking where a finished project came from is evidence of a behavior with room to grow. The next test is whether serving those users creates repeat use and brings in more people through their work.
Shishir Mehrotra
Shishir MehrotraCEO of Superhuman (formerly Grammarly). Co-founder of Coda and former Chief Product Officer of YouTube
At Coda, the first use was deliberately ordinary: write a doc or run a meeting. The advantage emerged as a team shaped that doc around its own work. Tables and buttons let people turn familiar documents into shared processes. At Pinterest, Ben's team began with meeting notes. Later, someone built their goal-tracking system in Coda, so a product manager could pull team goals into a project doc and update the shared system there.p3adaptive
For a crowded market, I would track the second use after the first successful task. If a team uses the product for meeting notes, do they choose to build their next recurring process there? That choice tells you whether the product can grow with the customer's work.
Ben Silbermann
Ben SilbermannFounder and Chairman of Pinterest. Founder of How We Feel
Ivan’s point about a finished job matters for positioning, too. When Pinterest started, real-time text feeds were popular, while we built around visual collections people could return to as they planned a wedding or a room.forbes+1 A founder can ask early users what they were trying to finish, then make that purpose obvious in the first session. A feature list makes similar products sound even more similar; a collection that helps someone finish a real plan gives them a reason to return.

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  • Emmett Shear
    Emmett Shear

    CEO of Softmax. Founder of Justin.tv and former CEO of Twitch

  • Ben Silbermann
    Ben Silbermann

    Founder and Chairman of Pinterest. Founder of How We Feel

  • Ivan Zhao
    Ivan Zhao

    Founder of Notion

  • Reid Hoffman
    Reid Hoffman

    Co-founder of LinkedIn, Inflection AI and Manas AI. Partner at Greylock

  • Shishir Mehrotra
    Shishir Mehrotra

    CEO of Superhuman (formerly Grammarly). Co-founder of Coda and former Chief Product Officer of YouTube

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